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Reply With QuoteSo what? You think players are going to select him based upon four games?Originally Posted by BringBackZezel
Managers/coaches may but I can't honestly see players doing it: it's an earn respect/pay your dues league...
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He doesn't qualify for the ERA title because he hasn't thrown enough innings. That essentially renders all his numbers moot because of sample size.
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So what? You think players are going to select him based upon four games?
Managers/coaches may but I can't honestly see players doing it: it's an earn respect/pay your dues league...
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Not the entire season. Not even half of the entire season.
If you want to call other pitchers his peers, then put his numbers up against them. He belongs in the ASG without question.
Your case is based on one stat: IP. In trying to win one game in the middle of the season, I can't think of a single pitching stat that's less relevant than IP.
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Sorry, but until he can do something for more than 4 games (or 7, by the ASB), I'm not ready to annoint him among the best in the NL - for this year or otherwise.
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Opposing hitters would all disagree with you. They would put him amongst the best in the majors, not just the NL.
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I wasn't aware that this game was part of the season. It's an exhibition, and it's a reward for players who have earned it through the first, roughly, 3 months of the season. 3 months, not 1. Again, if there weren't so many NL pitchers having fantastic years - this could be an argument. But tell me 5 or 6 on my list who he is more deserving than.
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Well said!
But for those of us who recognize that the ASG is a fan-driven event, the case for Strasburg is pretty strong. This isn't nearly as stupid as sending his jersey to the HOF.
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Why am I getting flashbacks to ArtSight and the Franklin debate? He deserved to go based on his stats, not his stuff, right?
Same here. Great that he's got phenomenal stuff. Not great that people think he's deserving after 4 starts.
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"deserve ain't got nothing to do with it"
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I haven't seen a compelling case based upon the long-held Lounge belief - by most, anyway - that an All-Star nod is an earned invitation yet in regards to Strasburg...
I really don't have an opinion on it; thought it would make for a good discussion...
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I just wanna see Wonderboy face some AL big hitters. That's all.
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The game isn't an exhibition anymore. It's a contest to decide who gets HFA in the World Series. You have to take your best players....and when it comes to who's best suited to pitch to the best of the AL, not only does Strasburg belong in the top 10 of the NL, he belongs in the top 3.
Here's your quote: Stephen Strasburg is more deserving of pitching against the AL in a game that matters than everyone on your list not named Jimenez or Johnson.
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This is idiotic.
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Would Strasburg "deserve" to go to the ASG if he'd come up to the majors on May 1?
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We'll never know, will we? He could have gotten 5 extra wins and lowered his ERA - or gotten shelled. That's like an argument a coach tried on me yesterday when a thrown ball went under the front fence of, and into, the dugout. "Well it wouldn't have gone out of play had the fence extended all the way down. They shouldn't get an extra base!"
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If he'd put up the same numbers over 6 more starts, would you be in favor of him being there then?
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4 games, 5 games, whatever. it's no different than seeing a player on the ballot who hasn't played all season, which has been done in other sports.
I know Yashin's name was on the ballot despite holding out, and T-Mac rec'd votes last season (280k worth, according to this article.
I don't see the problem with it. It's a game for the fans.
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It'd put him up there with the others, yes. You giving him credit for those starts?
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Did he come up May 1?
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I'm simply pointing out the fault in your arguement...you think he belongs out only because he hasn't pitched enough innings.
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Does anyone on Taz's list have a better WHIP than Strasburg?
How about K/9?
How about BB/K?
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Congrats on moving the discussion back to sample size...
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I don't believe I ever said anything to the contrary. Hell, I reasoned it in my original post that it was because he's "... a guy who's started 4 games."
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please answer the question.
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